Dave Spencer oral history interview with Jim King and Bruce Conant. Transcriber's note: difficult at times to hear and understand Dave – unfortunately, Dave passed away before the tapes were transcribed and he had a chance to edit.
Military; Biography; History; Employees (USFWS); Youth; Recreation; Management; Hiking; Wilderness; Work of the Service; Wildlife refuges; Public access; Planning;
John Kurtz oral history transcript as conducted by Norman Olson. John Kurtz also spent time in the Phoenix Area Office in charge of refuges in Arizona and New Mexico. He also worked as supervisor for the northern refuges in Alaska.